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RAPTORS 2010-2011 edition (including summer stuff)
« on: July 02, 2010, 09:33:14 PM »
Amir signing GOOD!  Bosh leaving is fine with us.  Just it will suck to not get anything in a sign and trade.
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Re: RAPTORS 2010-2011 edition (including summer stuff)
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 12:23:44 PM »
Officially, good riddance to Chris Bosh.  A team is only as good as its leader, and all his leadership did was consistently contribute to losing seasons.  Not even remotely the guy I wanted to build around.

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 01:22:30 PM »
Bosh can shove Twitter up his ass.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 02:37:22 PM »
suck it bosh

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 03:01:10 PM »
Good for Bosh. The GM never really surrounded him with any good players for the team to have a chance to do anything. It will be interesting to watch Wade and Bosh on the same team.

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 03:22:49 PM »
This is good for Bosh. It was unfair of Toronto to expect him to lead the Raptors out of the first round because that's not the type of player he is. He's a Scottie Pippen and always will be.

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 06:45:28 PM »
Good riddance the only thing I wish is that they had traded him instead of letting him walk.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 07:09:37 PM »
I don't blame Bosh for leaving. I honestly don't know who the 2nd best player on the team would be during his tenure. Is it Calderon? Is it Bargnani? Which in other words is an indictment of the management. I don't think that Bosh could single-handily carry the load like Lebron can, but I do believe that he could lead a title contender if the 2nd best player on his team was at his level and a very good 3rd player.

That being said, Bosh was not the leader that he claimed he wanted to be. And the front office didn't hire a coach or acquire a player that could provide that. He did for the most part work hard and look to improve his game. He was for the most part available for post game interviews. But, around the time when he got some attention for his all star video, it seemed like his attitude and priorities shifted. It became more about him and less about the team. Bosh seems like he's shy and reserved (and I still get that vibe), however he wants to be cool and popular and when people took notice of him with his video, he wanted more of that (and acted accordingly).

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The more I think about this team under Colangelo, the more it reminds me of Ricciardi's tenure (minus the regular foot in the mouth incidents). While he might have made a few very nice minor moves (e.g. Amir for Delfino/Ukic) those type of things don't change the direction of a team much. The major successful moves are the things that are lacking. Like JP, BC has targeted over the hill players and had no returns on his investment (in fact the JO-Marion trade helped to facilitate Bosh's departure and he threw in a 1st round pick). There has been no legit second banana that he's acquired during his tenure. He has also capped himself out by coming longterm to role players or fringe starters (and it continues to this day with the 5yr deal to Amir). He was also fooled by unexpected early success into believing that he had a better team than he actually did.

He should also be taken to task for the complete lack of leadership in either the coaching staff or players. A team can't afford to have both devoid of leadership. And in this situation, he names Triano the head coach in the year he wants to convince Bosh to stay (not that the internship went particularly well).

I see this problem all too often. A team is desperate to keep their star player who might bolt in a few years. They make a series of short term moves (dog catching it's tail moves) trying to create a situation that might fool their star into believing they've got something and staying (in this case the Raptors hope was probably to make it out of the 1st round). Only this backfires, the team is saddled with poor contracts and becomes a treadmill team, and the star leaves anyway (along with mortgaging their future). Instead, the right thing to do is build the team correctly for the longterm and let the chips fall where they may in terms of the star staying or not.
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Re: RAPTORS 2010-2011 edition (including summer stuff)
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 07:54:18 PM »
Bosh taking a walk kind of feels like Vince Carter all over again.  :P
Makes you wonder if the Raps will ever have a star player who wants to stay in T.O.?

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 08:11:24 PM »
Wade tried to get people to come to Miami to play with him.

Lebron wants people to play in Cleveland with him.

Bosh can't get out of Toronto fast enough.

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Re: RAPTORS 2010-2011 edition (including summer stuff)
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 06:07:19 AM »
LeBron will never be considered the greatest in history.

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 07:33:47 AM »
LeBron will never be considered the greatest in history.

Not even remotely.  What's more, unless they have good role players over there, they might not even make it out of the East.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 08:48:46 AM »
Not even remotely.  What's more, unless they have good role players over there, they might not even make it out of the East.

That's what we said about the Celtics when they got the Big 3 together too.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 12:03:31 PM »
True but the Celts did have a promising young kid named Rondo on their roster and exisiting role players like Perkins, Powe,etc. Miami could be great or just good depends on who they bring in at center and on the bench.

Right now they have 3 very talented players, a great basketball guy in Pat Riley but not much else.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 12:46:34 PM »
True but the Celts did have a promising young kid named Rondo on their roster and exisiting role players like Perkins, Powe,etc. Miami could be great or just good depends on who they bring in at center and on the bench.

Right now they have 3 very talented players, a great basketball guy in Pat Riley but not much else.

I believe that Beasley and Chalmers are the only ones who are not FA. They now have a roster of 5 players (Wade, James, Bosh, Beasley, Chalmers). If they re-sign Haslem and get a couple of other serviceable bench players then they could be like the Celtics of '08.

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2010, 01:18:21 PM »
They dealt Beasley to the Timberwolves for picks today. But they are also rumoured to have signed Mike Miller.
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Re: RAPTORS 2010-2011 edition (including summer stuff)
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2010, 07:23:00 PM »
LeBron will never be considered the greatest in history.

I think he's got a shot. His problem so far has been a lack of post season success. Jordan didn't win his first title until he was 27. But, in terms of reg season stats, he right there (if you throw out the rule changes between then and now). The worry for him ought to be that Wade turns 29 next season. How many good seasons does he have left in him?
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2010, 08:30:46 PM »
So what does everyone think of the (reported) new faces?
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2010, 08:51:14 PM »
I think he's got a shot. His problem so far has been a lack of post season success. Jordan didn't win his first title until he was 27. But, in terms of reg season stats, he right there (if you throw out the rule changes between then and now). The worry for him ought to be that Wade turns 29 next season. How many good seasons does he have left in him?

The difference is that Jordan won 6 as his team's indisputed leader. James just forefeited that possibility.

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2010, 08:52:13 PM »
So what does everyone think of the (reported) new faces?

I think Barbosa's face looks a lot like Usher's face.