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Darryl · « **on:** November 07, 2009, 12:43:12 PM »

Reading on MLB trade rumours the Jays are talking to the Dbacks about catcher Chris Snyder.

Dontavian · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2009, 01:04:05 PM »

Quote from: Darryl on November 07, 2009, 12:43:12 PM

Reading on MLB trade rumours the Jays are talking to the Dbacks about catcher Chris Snyder.

Maybe Cito was right re Barajas?

flambers · « **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2009, 01:59:50 PM »

Quote from: Darryl on November 07, 2009, 12:43:12 PM

Reading on MLB trade rumours the Jays are talking to the Dbacks about catcher Chris Snyder.

Traderumours is now speculationg the rumour is Synder for Overbay... I hope it happens then the Jays can convert Lind to 1st

thePhelpsFan · « **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:25:17 PM »

Not bad return. Snyder can't hit for average to save his life, but he's got some pop and he can get on base at a decent clip. If he's healthy, he'd probably be the best starting catcher we've had for a while.

JoeCarter29 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:34:30 PM »

As long as Snyder's back is healthy I'd pull the trigger on this deal. We need a catcher with Baraja's a FA and it would give Lind an everyday spot in the field. Overbay is 5 years older and couldn't hit LH pitching so Snyder makes more sense as a part of the Jays latest re-build project. It also doesn't help Lyle's case that he was one of Cito's most vocal opponents at the end of the year.

gosensgo101 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:17:30 PM »

I like it, especially if we're going to go out and buy someone with good production for a corner position/DH.

The Game · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:51:04 PM »

Snyder has a pretty bad contract. I'd really like some money or a prospect in return.

Lime · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2009, 08:27:44 PM »

Do it. The .800 OPS we can expect from a C in Snyder is MUCH more valuable than the .820 OPS we can expect from a 1B in Overbay.

Lime · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2009, 08:33:06 PM »

Quote from: Lime on November 07, 2009, 08:27:44 PM

Do it. The .800 OPS we can expect from a C in Snyder is MUCH more valuable than the .820 OPS we can expect from a 1B in Overbay.

Baseball Positional Economics (BPE), something Ricciardi has zero concept of

Hopefully AA is different

corpusse · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2009, 08:40:52 PM »

Yeah then sign Millar to be the everyday first basemen with a sub .700 OPS.

It's only more valuable if they don't put a deadweight a 1st.

Snyder has injury concerns and may only play in 100-115 games. Even if you platoon Overbay again he'll likely play 130+ games plus you can bring him in for defense in the games he doesn't start.

Overbay is cheaper and only signed for one more year.

On the plus side they could give 1st base to Ruiz and see what he can do over the entire year. On the negative side that would leave Hill as the only plus defender in the infield and having a poor first basement certainly isn't going to help EE at 3rd.

Straight up I don't like the trade, but give some money or some prospects I certainly think they could potentially make this deal work for both teams.

Of course if they have the money offer nothing and take on the contract then Overbay can be shopped for prospects, either now or at the deadline.

ham · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2009, 11:51:11 PM »

Chris Snyder is owed the following:

2010: 4.75 m
2011: 5.75 m
2012: 6.75 m (club option with 0.75 buyout)

Overbay is owed 7 m for 2010.

A Snyder-Overbay straight up would be taking on 11.25 m and shedding 7 m, taking on a net of 4.25 m.

Snyder is younger and a better hitter. He does have a big career OPS platoon split against LHP vs RHP of .822 vs .689.

4 scenarios on Barajas (most likely a Type B):
1. He is not offered arbitration. (we don't get a sandwich pick)
2. He declines arbitration but cannot sign with another team. (we don't get the sandwich pick)
3. He declines arbitration and signs with another team (we get the sandwich pick)
4. He accepts arbitration. He is bound to make around 3 m at least. Then we will have both Barajas and Snyder for a total of around 8 m for next year.

The Game · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2009, 02:20:28 AM »

Quote from: ham on November 07, 2009, 11:51:11 PM

Chris Snyder is owed the following:

2010: 4.75 m
2011: 5.75 m
2012: 6.75 m (club option with 0.75 buyout)

Overbay is owed 7 m for 2010.

A Snyder-Overbay straight up would be taking on 11.25 m and shedding 7 m, taking on a net of 4.25 m.

Snyder is younger and a better hitter. He does have a big career OPS platoon split against LHP vs RHP of .822 vs .689.

4 scenarios on Barajas (most likely a Type B):
1. He is not offered arbitration. (we don't get a sandwich pick)
2. He declines arbitration but cannot sign with another team. (we don't get the sandwich pick)
3. He declines arbitration and signs with another team (we get the sandwich pick)
4. He accepts arbitration. He is bound to make around 3 m at least. Then we will have both Barajas and Snyder for a total of around 8 m for next year.

Snyder is not a better hitter, he's also injured.

corpusse · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2009, 03:35:13 PM »

`According to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic, the Blue Jays have called off trade talks involving catcher Chris Snyder.
The Jays and D'Backs were reportedly discussing a Lyle Overbay-for-Chris Snyder swap, but concerns about Snyder's back led Toronto to nix the talks Sunday afternoon. It wasn't a great fit anyway because of the $11.25 million remaining on the backstop's current contract. `

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/67040

Dirtybird · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2009, 06:23:36 PM »

I didn't really get the big interest in Snyder. This team is rebuilding (or at least it should be). The only possible thing that would make sense is if they planned to flip him later on for prospects (but what's the sense of taking that risk with a guy with injuries). No use taking on extra money for a guy who won't be around when the games will actually matter. Trade Overbay for prospect(s) and use whatever money saved on draft picks and international signings or scouts. I hope that this team recognizes how far away they are from being legitimately competitive.

ham · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2009, 07:47:29 AM »

Quote from: The Game on November 08, 2009, 02:20:28 AM

Snyder is not a better hitter, he's also injured.

Missed big time. I mean a better hitter over Barajas, not Overbay.

Blacksheep · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2009, 12:43:17 PM »

Quote from: ham on November 09, 2009, 07:47:29 AM

Missed big time. I mean a better hitter over Barajas, not Overbay.

Yes, that's how I viewed all this also. Snyder is an upgrade from Barajas, if Lind moved to First, we have upgraded two infield positions (at least offensively) and gotten younger. Then Travis Snider can come up at the start of the year and stay in the outfield, bam, 3 younger players on the starting roster without doing to much. Once Halladay is swapped (why do I feel like Philly will reconsider after it's WS loss?) we will have whatever prospects/young Major leaguer's to swap in also. I'm still thinking Halladay will fetch 4 players minimum, hopefully one already ready for the majors/in the majors. Right there, a ton of rebuild upgrades without trading everyone.

London Knights · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2009, 03:16:34 PM »

Quote from: Blacksheep on November 09, 2009, 12:43:17 PM

Yes, that's how I viewed all this also. Snyder is an upgrade from Barajas, if Lind moved to First, we have upgraded two infield positions (at least offensively) and gotten younger. Then Travis Snider can come up at the start of the year and stay in the outfield, bam, 3 younger players on the starting roster without doing to much. Once Halladay is swapped (why do I feel like Philly will reconsider after it's WS loss?) we will have whatever prospects/young Major leaguer's to swap in also. I'm still thinking Halladay will fetch 4 players minimum, hopefully one already ready for the majors/in the majors. Right there, a ton of rebuild upgrades without trading everyone.

If we were able to get a reliable SS out of that package, man would that ever be nice to have some fairly young and successful players at 1B, 2B, SS, (hopefully between Jeroloman/Arencibia at C) and Snider in the OF.

corpusse · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2009, 04:12:02 PM »

Who cares if Cito hates him, Zaun`s option has been declined by the cheapo rays. He`d surely come back on a 1 year deal since he`d be given the starting job. If he wants an option with a strong chance of being the backup in 2011 fine. He too would be an upgrade over Barajas and cost nothing but a couple million bucks if that.

corpusse · « **Reply #18 on:** November 09, 2009, 06:00:21 PM »

The latest real rumor

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Cubs have discussed the framework of a three-team deal involving Milton Bradley.
The idea is described as a longshot, but here's how it would play out: Bradley will go to the Blue Jays. Lyle Overbay will head to the Mets. And Luis Castillo will land with the Cubs. The teams involved have only discussed the deal's framework, and not in direct fashion, according to Rosenthal's sources.

I seriously doubt Bradley's ability to stay healthy especially on the turf but a a Wells, Bradley Snider outfield looks a lot better then Snider, Wells, Lind. Even if they ended up playing Lind or Ruiz at first the defensive downgrade would likely be offset but outfield improvement.

Dontavian · « **Reply #19 on:** November 09, 2009, 06:28:33 PM »

Quote from: corpusse on November 09, 2009, 06:00:21 PM

The latest real rumor

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Cubs have discussed the framework of a three-team deal involving Milton Bradley.
The idea is described as a longshot, but here's how it would play out: Bradley will go to the Blue Jays. Lyle Overbay will head to the Mets. And Luis Castillo will land with the Cubs. The teams involved have only discussed the deal's framework, and not in direct fashion, according to Rosenthal's sources.

I seriously doubt Bradley's ability to stay healthy especially on the turf but a a Wells, Bradley Snider outfield looks a lot better then Snider, Wells, Lind. Even if they ended up playing Lind or Ruiz at first the defensive downgrade would likely be offset but outfield improvement.

Bradley is more expensive, under contract longer and an incredible jerk. There's no way AA touches this with a 10 foot pole.